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Azerbaijan Airlines aircraft Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau International Airport, Kazakhstan, killing 38 people. A multi-vehicle crash in Minas Gerais, Brazil, leaves 41 people dead. A car attack at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany, kills five people and injures more than two hundred others. In France, Dominique Pelicot and 49 other men are convicted of the serial rape of his then-wife Gisèle Pelicot. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of Lebanon Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Slim Dunlap John Marsden James E. Malone Jr. Rickey Henderson Zakir Hussain Sigrid Kehl view — page history — related changes — edit

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December 26

Portal:Current events/2024 December 26
December 26, 2024 (2024-12-26) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Killing of journalists in the Israel–Hamas war Five journalists are killed in an Israeli airstrike on their vehicle near a hospital in the Nuseirat refugee camp in Deir al-Balah Governorate, Gaza. (Al Jazeera) (CNN)

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December 25

Portal:Current events/2024 December 25

December 25, 2024 (2024-12-25) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Siege of North Gaza, Gaza famine The United States-funded Famine Early Warning Systems Network removes a report estimating that food insecurity conditions in northern Gaza have surpassed the highest IPC famine thresholds, after the United States envoy to Israel criticized the report as "irresponsible" for greatly overstating the civilian population of Gaza. (FEWS NET) Somali Civil War Constitutional crisis in Somalia Jubaland crisis The federal government of Somalia imposes a flight ban on Jubaland, including all flights to and from Jubaland, particularly affecting the cities of Kismayo and Doolow. The flight ban was initiated amid ongoing political tensions and military engagements after Jubaland forces reportedly defeated Somali Armed Forces in several locations, including Ras Kamboni, Kulbiyow, and Dolow. (Garowe Online) (The Somali Digest) (Eastleigh Voice) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure, Ukrainian energy crisis A series of Russian ballistic missile and drone strikes target critical energy infrastructure in cities across in Ukraine, killing at least two people, injuring 20 others, and causing widespread emergency blackouts. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy condemns Russian President Vladimir Putin for the "inhumane" attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure. (The Kyiv Independent) (The Guardian) (RTÉ) Sudanese civil war 2024 famine in Sudan The IPC Famine Review Committee determines the presence of famine in five areas in Darfur and South Kordofan, Sudan, and estimates that five more areas will face famine by May 2025 due to ongoing conflict and blocked aid distribution. (BBC News Hausa) Ethiopian civil conflict Ethiopian military forces close the country's border with Somalia following ongoing heavy fighting in rural areas of Harshin, Fafan Zone, between Ethiopia's Somali regional forces and local clan militias after the killing of a local security chief and his bodyguards. Hundreds of people, including children, flee from their homes. (Hiiraan Online) (Somali Guardian) 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes The Taliban government reports that at least 46 people, mostly women and children, are killed and six others are injured in Pakistani airstrikes on Paktika Province, Afghanistan, and pledges to retaliate. (DW) (The EurAsian Times) Syrian civil war Syria's new government says that fourteen of its troops were killed and 10 others were injured in clashes with Assad regime loyalists in Tartus Governorate. (BBC News) (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 An Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer 190 aircraft carrying 67 passengers from Baku, Azerbaijan, to Grozny, Russia, crashes while being diverted to Aktau, Kazakhstan, due to bad weather, killing 38 people and injuring 29 others. (Al Jazeera) (NPR) HVDC submarine power cable Estlink 2, which connects the power grids of Estonia and Finland, suffers an unexplained outage with Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo stating that an investigation into the incident is underway. (AP) International relations Israel–Hezbollah conflict Lebanon files a new complaint to the UN Security Council over Israel's ceasefire violations. (Bastille Post) Law and crime More than 1,500 inmates escape from a prison in Maputo, Mozambique, after knocking down a wall during a riot. At least 33 people are killed and 15 others are injured. (BBC News) (Al Jazeera) Syrian authorities impose a curfew from 6 pm to 8 am in Homs following a series of protests by Alawite and Shi'ite Muslim minority groups. (Reuters) A court in Turkey sentences the owner and architect of the Grand Isias Hotel in Adıyaman to more than 18 years in prison for negligent homicide after 72 people died when the hotel collapsed in the 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes. (DW) (Hürriyet Daily News) Politics and elections 2025 Kosovan parliamentary election Kosovo's election appeals authority allows the Serb List party, a Serb ethnic party, to participate in the upcoming election, stating that the party meets legal certification requirements. (AP) Science and technology 2024 in archosaur paleontology Scientists confirm the discovery of the Alpkarakush kyrgyzicus dinosaur species in Kyrgyzstan, the first theropod from the Jurassic period to be discovered in Central Asia. (Tempo)

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RD: Bill Bergey

Article: Bill Bergey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair

Article: M. T. Vasudevan Nair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Malayalam writer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Added sources. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Obviously a major figure in literature and film. Did a bit of copyediting. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Suppport Significant RD, He was an Indian author, screenplay writer and film director Spworld2 (talk) 9:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243

Article: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan with 67 people on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 39 people.
News source(s): BBC The Guardian Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: A few dozen have been reported dead as a result of the crash. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Recent plane crash with a high number of fatalities is definitely notable and certainly deserves attention. (Although, it would be slightly better if the fatality number is confirmed). However, I Oppose the blurb. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 09:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support original blurb until the number of deaths is clarified. A crash of a flag carrier. Brandmeister^talk 09:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, there's no actual confirmation yet on the number of dead right? Only the number of survivors. Yo.dazo (talk) 09:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support - an airliner crashes with significant loss of life. Event is in the news, so eligible here. Mjroots (talk) 09:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support 39 deaths MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support (by the way, end-of-year season is sadly known due to the increase of transport accidents) ArionStar (talk) 11:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major aviation and international news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 12:55, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Surprised this isn't already up. A significant crash. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support – This article are notable and the plane crash have several deaths. Rest in peace to the people who died in the plane crash. Bakhos | Let's talk! 13:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Recent and significant plane crash that has received extensive media coverage. --Sura Shukurlu (talk) 14:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support: but WAIT

QalasQalas (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb which includes the death toll. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Video from inside the plane. Count Iblis (talk) 17:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• I feel some blurb that indicates the was a very haphazard emergency landing rather than what is normally envisioned when we say a crash, as to indicate this was not as deadly as it was, would be helpful. Masem (t) 17:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think 'emergency landing' should be added. The plane crashed nearly 6 kilometers from the runway. So even though it was preparing for an emergency landing, that's not really the reason why it came down at that location. Maybe it could say "near Aqtau International Airport" instead of "near Aktau". Johndavies837 (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 18:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

December 24

Portal:Current events/2024 December 24

December 24, 2024 (2024-12-24) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Deir ez-Zor offensive, Eastern Syria insurgency Islamic State militants launch attacks on the town of al-Hawayej in northeastern Syria, against Asayish forces. (SOHR) Protests occur after a Christmas tree was set on fire in Al-Suqaylabiyah, Hama Governorate. (The Week) Turkey's interior minister announces that more than 25,000 Syrian refugees have returned to Syria since former president Bashar al-Assad was overthrown by rebels. (Al Arabiya) Syrian opposition factions announce that they will dissolve and merge under the authority of the Ministry of Defense. (Reuters) Haiti crisis Gang war in Haiti Three people are killed by gunmen in Haiti opening fire at the journalists, police and medical staff at the reopening of the Port-au-Prince General Hospital. (BBC News) At least 46 people are killed in a series of airstrikes by the Pakistan Army against alleged Pakistani Taliban hideouts in Paktika Province, Afghanistan. (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture National symbols of the United States U.S. President Joe Biden signs a bill making the bald eagle the official national bird of the United States. (NBC News) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 Australian bushfire season Residents of the Grampians region of Victoria, Australia, evacuate due to bushfires, with more than 41,000 hectares (100,000 acres) already burnt by the bushfires. (BBC News) 2024 Lobitos oil spill Residents of Lobitos and Cabo Blanco, Peru, demonstrate against Peruvian state-owned oil company PetroPerú following an oil spill that contaminated six beaches. (La República) Twelve people are killed and four others are injured in an explosion at an explosives factory in Kavakli, Balıkesir Province, Turkey. (Al Jazeera) The Russian cargo ship MV Ursa Major, allegedly used to evacuate military personnel and equipment from Russian bases in Syria, sinks in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Spain following an explosion in the ship's engine room. The Russian Foreign Ministry says that 14 of the 16 crew members have been rescued, with the two others missing. (Politico) International relations 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Syrian civil war Palestine factions hand weapons to the Lebanese army and vacate their headquarters. (Middle East Monitor) Denmark–United States relations The Danish government announces an increase in defense spending for Greenland hours after US president-elect Donald Trump repeated his interest in purchasing Greenland, although they affirm that the two are unrelated. (BBC News) Russia–United States relations Gene Spector, an American citizen of Russian descent, is sentenced to 15 years in prison by a Russian court for espionage. (CNN) Law and crime Capital punishment in Saudi Arabia Human rights organization Reprieve reports that Saudi Arabia executed 330 people this year. (First Post) At least 21 people are killed and 25 others are injured in a series of violent incidents in Mozambique following the previous day's confirmation by the high court of Daniel Chapo as the winning presidential candidate in the recent election. (ABC News) Hong Kong offers bounties of HK$1 million (US$128,728) each for six foreign pro-democracy activists accused of violating the national security law, including Tony Chung, and also revokes the passports of seven others, citing actions such as incitement to secession, subversion, and collusion with foreign forces. (Reuters) Five people accused of being Al-Qaeda supporters are arrested in four cities in Italy. (Il Gazzettino) Four participants in the November 2024 Amsterdam riots are sentenced to prison, with 32-year-old Sefa Ö handed the longest sentence of six months. (BBC News) Politics and elections Protests against Donald Trump, Panama–United States relations In Panama, protesters gather at the U.S. Embassy in Panama City over Trump's threat to take back the Panama Canal. (France24) (DW) Maia Sandu is sworn in for her second four-year term as President of the Republic of Moldova. (Euronews) In his Christmas speech, Grand Duke of Luxembourg Henri announces that he will abdicate on 3 October 2025 and hand over the throne to his son, Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume. (The Brussels Times) ʻAisake Eke is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Tonga. (RNZ) Science and technology NASA large strategic science missions The Parker Solar Probe attempts its closest-ever approach to the Sun to study the sun's temperatures, radiation, and magnetic field. (BBC News)

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RD: Dési Bouterse

Article: Dési Bouterse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NLTimes, AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:41AE:341:4940:BDA3 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former president of Suriname. 240F:7A:6253:1:41AE:341:4940:BDA3 (talk) 03:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: George Petak

Article: George Petak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Republican politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Richard Perry

Article: Richard Perry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs help, but it was announced today that Richard Perry had died. He was best known for his work as a producer for artists like Carly Simon (No Secrets and "You're So Vain"), Ringo Starr (Ringo (album) and "Photograph (Ringo Starr song)" and "You're Sixteen") and along with owning Planet Records, launching The Pointer Sisters with "Fire (Bruce Springsteen song)", "Neutron Dance", "I'm So Excited", "Slow Hand" and "Jump (For My Love)". He also had other credits with many other artists. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Parker Solar Probe

Article: Parker Solar Probe (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Parker Solar Probe (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Sun (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Scientific American, BBC, Space
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Andi Fugard (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We might also mention that it will be travelling at 430,000 miles per hour – a new speed record. But it's stormy as it's a solar maximum... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Still personally determining on notability, but oppose on quality - a two-sentence update to the lead is not enough to post. The Kip ^(contribs) 09:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  The article is already quite large and detailed but I've added an update about the timing of this perihelion to the body. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, as notable a solar space mission as you can get without landing. At least so far. Maybe post on the 27th when Parker is scheduled to send back information. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  FYI, the perihelion is today (Christmas Eve) around noon UTC. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Right, but we won't even know if it has survived the approach until the 27th. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  The perihelion is today and it's in the news today. As and when we get further news, we can update the blurb accordingly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  I know, and if it were just you and I the blurb would be up already. Thanks for improving the article. Maybe a few others will come by and push this quickly over the finish line. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Not sure how to intervene on this as I'm a new to ITN and don't want to break it :) The BBC cite notes that the temperatures that close will reach 1,400 °C and it will be moving faster than any other human-made object (692,000 kilometers per hour; 430,000 miles per hour). Maybe also something on how it has to act autonomously to ensure it is oriented in such as way that its shields protect it from the solar energy. At that distance from Earth, it would take about 8 minutes for a signal to get there and another 8 for it to be received: too slow for Earth-based control. Andi Fugard [they/them] (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  FYI, what's wanted mainly here are opinions whether we should post this news on the main page. These should focus mainly on the adequacy of the quality of the article. The blurb wording is open to discussion too and alternatives can be proposed. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• This is not an ITNR, it has been in this close orbit of the sun for the last several years, just that this time it will swing closer than any previous time. Masem (t) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  No, this is not a stable orbit. What's been happening is that it has been making repeated flybys of Venus to pick up speed using gravity assistance. It made its seventh and final flyby of Venus in November and this gave it the speed for this closest approach to the Sun, which goes deep past the Alfvén surface. It is therefore the climax of a long mission and so is effectively the destination as it's downhill from here. And note that, while we posted the launch of the mission in 2018, we haven't posted a destination blurb yet. The mainstream coverage such as this BBC bulletin indicates that this is the time to post as it talks of the event "making history". Andrew🐉(talk) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  This pass by the sun is at 6.9M km, last year it got to 7.3M km, which on the order of magnitude of space, essentially the same. Its clear it reached its final destination, this unstable orbit between the sun and venus, four years or so ago. This is not ITNR, but note I'm not saying that this can't be considered as a normal ITNC candidate due to attention on being it's closest approach. Masem (t) 15:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  This is wrong. It flies by Venus to slow down. If it slowed to zero it'd then fall straight down starting at 1 mph per dozens of seconds ending at c. 0.1% the speed of light (if it could survive till the visible surface I assume no). If it slowed down a little less than that it does this. Also in 2025 they'll point it at the Sun exposing it to tens of thousands percent sunlight killing everything except the shader in seconds. Especially if it can briefly transmit through that (I don't know) that seems like another interesting time (science fiction like Sunshine (2007 film) becoming science fact). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Good points. The gravity assists from Venus were used to make its orbit more eccentric and this gives the closer approach to the sun and that's when its speed is greater.

  I also wondered what was going to happen to the probe afterwards and so added a paragraph to the article to explain.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 07:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. Its final flyby is scheduled for June 19, 2025. That seems to be the most appropriate time to post, not the two incidental records being set tomorrow. (Which records, by the way, will not be broken by Parker's remaining flybys.) 128.91.40.237 (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the December 27 confirmation. ArionStar (talk) 06:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Support It was noteworthy enough for BBC top story status, and it'll be interesting to see if it survived on the 27th. For heliophysics this is a major, decades-long effort, and it won't be so close to the surface of the Sun ever again. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

December 23

Portal:Current events/2024 December 23

December 23, 2024 (2024-12-23) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War Constitutional crisis in Somalia Jubaland crisis Violent clashes occur between the Ethiopia-backed Jubaland forces and the Somali Armed Forces in Dolow, Gedo Region, Somalia, with Jubaland forces later taking control of the town. (Garowe Online) (Hiiraan Online) The mayor of Badhadhe District, Lower Juba, Hassan Nuur Cabdi, survives an ambush attack which killed at least five of his security personnel. (Idil News) (Hiiraan Online) Syrian civil war Operation Dawn of Freedom Manbij offensive The pro-Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces launch a counter-offensive on recently captured pro-Turkish faction positions in Manbij, Aleppo Governorate, Syria, and recapture several villages. (SOHR) Jordanian Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi meets with de facto Syrian leader Ahmed al-Sharaa in Damascus to discuss the support of the Syrian transitional government. (Al Jazeera) Haitian crisis Gang war in Haiti 2024 Cité Soleil massacre The death toll from the mass killing by a gang in Cité Soleil, Port-au-Prince, Haiti, increases to 207, according to the United Nations. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh For the first time, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz claims responsibility for the July 2024 assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran, Iran. (Reuters) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Attacks on protected zones and civilians in Gaza At least seven people are killed in Israeli airstrikes on a safe zone in al-Mawasi, Gaza. Several other attacks across the Gaza Strip kill at least 43 others. (Al Jazeera) Mexican drug war Seventeen people are killed in a string of attacks over the past 48 hours across the state of Guanajuato, Mexico. (El País) Business and economy Student loans in the United States, Economic policy of the Joe Biden administration The Biden administration officially withdraws two major legislative plans that would have granted student loan forgiveness to more than 30 million Americans. (Forbes) (CNBC) Japanese automakers Nissan and Honda announce plans to for a merger by 2026, potentially forming the third-largest automotive company in the world. (Al Jazeera) (Nikkei Asia) Disasters and accidents 2024 famine in Sudan The Government of Sudan suspends participation in the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification hunger monitoring system, in advance of a new report about famine occurring in the nation. (Reuters) Three people are killed and another is injured in severe storms in Rome, Italy, while two people go missing on the Gran Sasso d'Italia massif. (Roma Today) (Il Messaggero) Weather of 2024 The Santa Cruz Wharf of Santa Cruz, California, United States, partially collapses from high waves of a Pacific storm. (BBC News) International relations Panama–United States relations Panamanian President José Raúl Mulino rebuffs U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's recent threat to reimpose U.S. control over the Panama Canal, saying its shipping tolls aren't inflated and that Panamanian sovereignty over the waterway isn't negotiable. (Bloomberg) Law and crime 2024 New York City Subway immolation A man is arrested after fatally burning a woman yesterday on a Subway train in New York City, United States. (Al Jazeera) Capital punishment by the United States federal government U.S. President Joe Biden commutes the death sentences of 37 out of the 44 federal death row inmates to life imprisonment. The exceptions are Dylann Roof, Robert Gregory Bowers, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who received death sentences for terrorism or hate-motivated mass murder-related crimes, as well as all four prisoners on US Military death row. (CBS News) Minas Gerais road crash The suspected truck driver that caused a multiple-vehicle collision and killed at least 41 people in Teófilo Otoni, Minas Gerais, Brazil, turns himself in to local authorities. (R7) (G1) A man is arrested and charged with animal cruelty for shooting and killing 98 kangaroos on a military base in Singleton, New South Wales, Australia. (news.com.au) Guatemalan police rescue at least 160 children and 40 women held by the Lev Tahor Jewish sect and accuse the group of child sexual abuse, forced marriage, and human trafficking. Members of Lev Tahor broke into the care center in Oratorio, Santa Rosa Department, where the children were being held on Sunday. (Al Jazeera) (The Times of Israel) (The Independent) Politics and elections Following the December 1 parliamentary elections in Romania, President Klaus Iohannis asks incumbent Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu to form a new coalition, majority Cabinet, comprising the PSD, PNL and UDMR parties. The Government is named and confirmed by the Chamber of Deputies (Romania), and takes office the same day. (France 24) 2024 French political crisis Following the collapse of the Barnier government, French President Emmanuel Macron announces a new center-right, minority coalition Government led by François Bayrou as new Prime Minister. (DW) Second presidency of Donald Trump The United States House Committee on Ethics releases a report on former Florida representative and Attorney General nominee Matt Gaetz, revealing that Gaetz paid women for sexual activity, committed statutory rape with a 17-year-old, possessed and used illegal drugs, accepted financial gifts beyond House limits, and assisted a woman in obtaining a passport. (BBC News) Joel Greenberg, a former IRS employee of Florida is sentenced to 11 years in prison on 6 federal charges for underage sex trafficking, wire fraud, stalking, identity theft, producing a fake ID card, and conspiring to defraud the US federal government, receiving a reduced sentence after testifying against eight other men including Gaetz, after initially facing 33 federal charges. (CNN) The Greek government restores citizenship to 10 members of the former royal family, including the children and grandchildren of King Constantine II, following their agreement to adopt the surname "De Grece", renounce royal claims, and formally recognize Greece's status as a parliamentary democracy. (AP) Science and technology A team of scientists at the North-Eastern Federal University in Sakha Republic, Russia, unveil the highly preserved remains of a 50,000-year-old female juvenile woolly mammoth named Yana. The researchers say Yana was roughly about one-year-old when she died, likely from drowning, and was discovered in the Batagaika crater by locals. (BBC News)

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RD: Sophie Hediger

Article: Sophie Hediger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article currently a stub, needs major expansion. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Shyam Benegal

Article: Shyam Benegal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian filmmaker. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Support: Article is in good shape. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is lengthy and well sourced TheHiddenCity (talk) 23:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I have tagged the article with tags. Tagging Pharaoh of the Wizards and Pachu Kannan to see if they can fill some of those tags in preparation for homepage. Ktin (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Done. Pachu Kannan (talk) 04:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

December 22

Portal:Current events/2024 December 22

December 22, 2024 (2024-12-22) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Fall of the Assad regime Syrian mass graves An Assad regime mass grave containing the remains of 93 civilians, including several women and children, is discovered in Qarfa, Daraa Governorate, Syria, with all of the bodies reportedly burnt alive. (SOHR) In the highest-ranking state visit since the regime change, Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan holds a meeting with Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham leader Ahmed al-Sharaa in Damascus to support the transitional government. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip kill at least 28 people. (France 24) Red Sea crisis The US military states that the USS Gettysburg guided-missile cruiser accidentally shot down a Navy F/A-18F Super Hornet fighter jet and injured one of its pilots in a friendly fire incident following a series of airstrikes on Yemen. However, the Houthis claim that they shot down the fighter jet. (CNN) (Middle East Monitor) Business and economy Residents of Logroño, La Rioja, Spain, win the world's biggest lottery, the Spanish Christmas Lottery's El Gordo €2.7 billion prize. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season The death toll from Cyclone Chido in Cabo Delgado, Mozambique, increases to 94. (DW) 2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash Ten people are killed and seventeen others are injured when a Piper PA-42 Cheyenne crashes into shops and a hotel while taking off from the Canela Airport in Gramado, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil. (CNN) (ASN) The death toll from the stampede at two food distribution events in Abuja and Okija, Nigeria, increases to 32. (DW) Seven people are killed when a private Cessna 207 crashes into a hill in El Montoso, Jalisco, Mexico. (Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archive) An Airbus EC135 ambulance helicopter crashes near a hospital in Muğla, Turkey, killing all four people onboard. (AP) Four people are killed and 13 others are missing when a highway bridge across the Tocantins River between Estreito, Maranhão, and Aguiarnópolis, Tocantins, Brazil, partially collapses. (Xinhua) (G1) International relations Russia–Slovakia relations Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico holds a previously unannounced meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia. (The Moscow Times) Politics and elections 2024 Novi Sad protests Around 100,000 people gather at the Slavija Square in Belgrade, Serbia, to protest against the government response to the Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse and demand the resignation of President Aleksandar Vučić and the ruling Serbian Progressive Party. President Vučić is dismissive of the protests and accuses the opposition of manipulating the protestors to gain political power. (Al Jazeera) (DW) (N1) New Zealand rejects the Cook Islands' proposal to establish its own passports and citizenship but expresses willingness to discuss independence if initiated by Cook Islanders. (Reuters)

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(NEW!) Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira bridge collapse

Article: Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira bridge collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least four people are died and more than ten are missing after a bridge partially collapses between the states of Tocantins and Maranhão in Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died.
News source(s): (Reuters) (BBC)
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Deadly structural collapses like 2024 Lixinsha Bridge collapse and this one needs more attention on ITN. Events coverage on en-wiki is so American-European-developed countries-biased. Let's change it! ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose low death toll and seemingly local/very limited impact. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There is no article for the bridge itself, yet there are detailed articles in Portuguese and German. I could not find articles in other languages about the collapse. I wonder whether the scope of this article should be broadened to include the bridge itself to align it with the two articles that exist in other languages. Such a change in scope would not prevent the article from consideration at ITN. Schwede66 23:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment Gee, it seems we've had a lot of transport-related disasters in Brazil the past few days. Would it be best to merge them all into a single blurb? Departure– (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, like: "In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died." ArionStar (talk) 01:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

No, they’re completely unrelated so we wouldn’t have a combination blurb. Stephen 03:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure last year we had two unrelated tornado outbreaks in the United States get a combined blurb. I don't see how this is much different - multiple major events involving transit and traffic causing a similar amount of fatalities all occurring in the same country, each with merits to their own blurb. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri

Article: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Asr-e-Hazir, Millat Times, Eastern Crescent
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

An Indian Muslim scholar and a professor of Hadith at Darul Uloom Deoband. Khaatir (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks well cited and comprehensive enough to post. However, the article would be much improved if his theological / academic views and theories were included. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

December 21

Portal:Current events/2024 December 21

December 21, 2024 (2024-12-21) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine At least seven Ukrainian drones strike Kazan, Russia, six of which reportedly hit residential areas, including a 32-story apartment building. (Ukrainska Pravda) (Reuters) Haitian crisis The Haitian government declares a one-month state of emergency amid the escalating gang violence and the deepening security crisis. (Caribbean National Weekly) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Sixteen Pakistan Army soldiers are killed and five others are critically injured when Pakistani Taliban militants launch an overnight raid on an army post in Makeen, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Al Arabiya) Red Sea crisis Sixteen people are injured in a Houthi missile attack on the Tel Aviv-Jaffa area in Israel. (CNN) Business and economy Constitutional crisis in Somalia The Puntland region of Somalia announces that it will introduce a new regional currency in 2025. The region had previously shifted to use of the United States dollar in 2021, due to severe inflation of the Somali shilling. (Garowe Online) (Hiiraan Online) (Horseed Media) Disasters and accidents Minas Gerais road crash Forty-one people are killed when a bus collides with a granite block that fell from a truck on a highway in Minas Gerais, Brazil. (The Guardian) (G1) (O Globo) Ten people are killed and many others are injured in a stampede during a distribution of food and clothes at a church in Abuja, Nigeria. (AP) Nine people are killed and 13 more injured when a bus plunges into a ravine in Pa Alam, Lorestan, Iran. (AP) Two people are killed and three others are missing when an under-construction six-story building collapses in Sohana village, Mohali district, India. (Zee News) Law and crime Censorship of TikTok The Albanian government announces a one-year ban on the social media platform TikTok beginning in 2025, following a fatal stabbing of a teenager in November in connection to a confrontation on the platform. (Al Jazeera) (Türkiye Today) Politics and elections 2024 Icelandic parliamentary election The Social Democratic Alliance, led by Kristrún Frostadóttir, forms a coalition government in Iceland's Althing with the Liberal Reform Party and the People's Party. Kristrún becomes Iceland's youngest prime minister at 36 years old. (CNA) 2025 United States federal budget, Government shutdowns in the United States The United States Senate passes a funding bill, with President Joe Biden subsequently signing the bill into law, thereby averting a government shutdown. (CBS News)

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RD: Jack Bond

Article: Jack Bond (director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ClaireFiona (talk · give credit), Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British film producer and director. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Minas Gerais road crash

Article: Minas Gerais road crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least forty-one people are killed in a road crash involving a bus, a road train and a car in Minas Gerais, Brazil. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera The Guardian O Globo
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Very high number of deaths. Help me to improve the article. ArionStar (talk) 16:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose until the article Isn't a draft or stub Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bloxzge 025: look at this now! ArionStar (talk) 11:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Extended content, unrelated to current nom
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I see that you have moved here with your usual MO of grifting for help instead of learning how to do things yourself. Please, at least try to write the article before showing up here and asking others to do it for you. Cart (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC) @W.carter: I'm checking the domestic sources and adding them. I don't know about you, but I work for parts; by the way, the information is still being disclosed. ArionStar (talk) 18:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC) A good practice is to create a passable draft first, get it accepted into article space, and then nominate it at ITN/C. You've been on the project for ten years, but you still do this "helpless newbie" routine. Cart (talk) 18:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC) Yes, I'm relatively "newbie" on English wiki. There are no drafts on Portuguese wiki. ArionStar (talk) 19:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC) Then I suggest you take the introduction course to get more acquainted with how things work here on en-wiki. Cart (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• This is currently a one sentence stub, and was (correctly) moved to draft space. Natg 19 (talk) 16:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I’ve re-opened this nomination as the lack of article isn’t a valid reason for closure.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• @ExclusiveEditor: is Draft:Minas Gerais road crash good enough? ArionStar (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  @ArionStar: Don't add too many citations just to prove the notability. See WP:CITATIONOVERKILL to understand how to add more citations. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 19:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose 1. The article is in draftspace, which should be enough to reject this nomination. 2. The draft article doesn't demonstrate passing WP:GNG, yet alone WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Not significant coverage? Aljazeera, CNN, The Guardian, Sky News? ArionStar (talk) 18:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  AP? ArionStar (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• WP:ITNSIGNIF and WP:ITNQUALITY have not been met. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• The discussion about ArionStar is irrelevant; behavioral concerns should be reported to the relevant noticeboard. Concerns as to the sourcing are misguided, as it clearly passes GNG based on what's currently used alone. The article will soon be moved back into mainspace, so concerns regarding its draftification will be assuaged. It could, however, be longer, per WP:ITNQUALITY, as it is rather stubby atm. Conversely, per WP:ITNUPDATE, it's not far short of the traditional yardstick. --SerialNumber54129^{A New Face in Hell} 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • It doesn't pass the GNG or NEVENT yet. This is a burst of news coverage with no current indication of having a long term impact. It is a sadly large scale disaster but unlike many natural disasters or the like, there's not a current expectation there will be a lot of Followup coverage. — Masem (t) 00:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now page got deleted, but I will be happy to support it, if its back up and improved.

  Support Article is short, but is notable, and looks well sourced TheHiddenCity (talk)

  @TheHiddenCity: the article is ready now. ArionStar (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@ArionStar: should have asked a page mover to move that page. You completely naused the histoire up. SerialNumber54129^{A New Face in Hell} 21:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I got it! ArionStar (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment One of the worst road crashes in Brazil's history. ArionStar (talk) 23:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, I've seen bus accidents of this scale not reported on ITN, but this seems to have got good coverage, (continued below)
  Oppose on quality/ size. Thou tragic and widely reported, it is very short. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Size is currently 1349 B (227 words).—Bagumba (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support, significant accident, article is well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Joseph2302, Bloxzge 025, and Bagumba: the article is bigger now. ArionStar (talk) 12:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Passes GNG. Also noting we posted a car cash in Magdeburg the other day. --SerialNumber54129^{A New Face in Hell} 13:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  I guess when the police catch the truck driver, we'll have some extra information to add. ArionStar (talk) 14:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, it doesn't look at all good for the driver, whom the police have identified. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Commenting in mostly because I nominated the Magdeburg blurb—apples to oranges. Magdeburg's was a premeditated and (likely) politically-motivated attack, this was an accident. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Commenting in not mostly but wholly because other stuff exists. --SerialNumber54129^{A New Face in Hell} 18:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The article is in good shape and well-referenced now. ArionStar (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle, oppose on quality This is a very notable accident by its record-breaking fatality count alone. However, article is pretty sparse and two-thirds of the Collision section rely on a single BBC article in Portuguese. In addition, it implies a certainty about the details of the accident when, as far as I can tell, there are multiple conflicting accounts as to what exactly happened. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  Likely = possibly? ArionStar (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  Could you possibly raise the "multiple conflicting accounts" at Talk:Minas Gerais road crash? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

   Done. ArionStar (talk) 19:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Fixed, I think. Support. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support - the article is now in an appropriate state for posting. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

   Question: Ready? ArionStar (talk) 00:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Just a traffic accident on a road that has these regularly. The details seem unclear but the coverage is not lasting. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's exactly what Masem said: there's a follow-up coverage as a long term impact. ArionStar (talk) 11:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  By long term impact I would something along the lines of a safety investigation or changes to road laws that would be aimed to prevent this, but all there seems to be is the driver turning himself in. That's not really a lot for a traffic accident even if the most deadliest in Brazil history. Wp is not well suited for news stories that show little long term encyclopedic relevance. — Masem (t) 14:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  If the event is not notable, do you think the article should be deleted? Exactly which details do you think need further clarification? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Pertinent questions. ArionStar (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  In addition and by the way: a similar accident in Canada with fewer deaths was posted a year ago. Thoughts? ArionStar (talk) 16:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's not always about how much people died. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  What's it about? Canada? ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Fatal accidents involving buses are quite common. For example, there was a fatal accident involving a bus, a truck and car in Malaysia just yesterday. See also bus plunge. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  With 41 fatal victims? It was a multiple-vehicle collision. ArionStar (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  According to List of countries by traffic-related death rate, Brazil has about 34,000 road deaths each year. That's more than twice 41 every day. 41 is therefore nothing special; they just happened together because that's the way buses work -- people ride together. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's only special because it's.... in the news? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  One of the deadliest road accidents in the country's history. It is special itself. ArionStar (talk) 22:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Mark as Ready These arguments are a little shallow and some seem developed countries-biased to me. ArionStar (talk) 18:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support; up to a decent ITN quality. Don't see how this is routine with 41 deaths. Kline • talk • contribs 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted With article issues resolved, there's clear consensus to post. Schwede66 22:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: please, keep the original setence. ArionStar (talk) 23:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  "A survivor on the bus said the vehicle that left São Paulo was replaced by what crashed." Is this sentence grammatically correct? ArionStar (talk) 00:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  @ArionStar: No, fixed, thanks for pointing this out. Left guide (talk) 01:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  The original blurb (At least 41 people are killed in a multiple-vehicle crash involving a bus, a road train and a car in Minas Gerais, Brazil) is more explanatory. ArionStar (talk) 02:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

That sounded way too complicated, which is why I simplified it. Schwede66 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The victims are still hospitalized, so it would be better if we added the term "at least". ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

If the number changes, we'll update it; that is standard practice. Schwede66 18:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Don Martina

Article: Don Martina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NU
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Crispulop (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Curaçaoan politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Served two impactful terms as Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles. I made some further additions to the article. Crispulop (talk) 13:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joanne Pierce Misko

Article: Joanne Pierce Misko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the FBI's first two female agents. ForsythiaJo (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I am not altogether sure this is not a case of WP:1E. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

December 20

Portal:Current events/2024 December 20

December 20, 2024 (2024-12-20) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Sudanese civil war Darfur campaign Siege of El Fasher The United Nations Human Rights Office reports that the Rapid Support Forces have killed over 782 civilians and wounded over 1,143 others in El Fasher, North Darfur, Sudan, since May, and urges the RSF to halt their incursions into the city. (Al Jazeera) At least 50 people, mostly from the Zaghawa ethnic group, have been killed by the Rapid Support Forces in the past week in El Fasher, North Darfur State, Sudan. (Sudan Tribune) Syrian civil war 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria Israeli soldiers injure a Syrian man protesting against the soldiers' presence in Ma'ariya, Daraa Governorate. (Al Jazeera) Fall of the Assad regime The United States drops the $10 million terrorism bounty offered for capture of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham leader Abu Mohammad al-Julani who ousted Assad. (AP) (Times of Israel) US intervention in the Syrian civil war U.S. forces kill regional ISIS leader Abu Yusif, also known as Mahmud, in an airstrike in Deir ez-Zor Governorate, Syria. (US CENTCOM) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2024 Kursk offensive A Ukrainian missile strike kills six people and injures 10 others in Rylsk, Kursk Oblast, Russia, according to acting Kursk Oblast governor Alexander Khinshtein. Russia says that it will raise the issue of the missile strike at the United Nations Security Council. (Reuters) Kryvyi Rih strikes, Kyiv strikes At least one person is killed and eight others are injured in Russian missile strikes on civilian infrastructure in Kryvyi Rih and Kyiv, Ukraine. (The Kyiv Independent) (Reuters) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Mali War At least 20 people are killed in attacks on six villages in Mali's Mopti Region by suspected jihadists linked to al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, who also destroy property during the assaults. (Reuters) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war, Israeli settler violence Israeli settlers set fire to a mosque in Marda, Salfit Governorate in the occupied West Bank and deface the building's facade with anti-Arab statements, including "Death to Arabs". (Al Jazeera) (AFP via Barron's) Terrorism in Germany 2024 Magdeburg car attack Five people are killed and over 200 others are injured in a vehicle-ramming attack at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany. The suspected perpetrator is arrested. (Al Jazeera) (Blick) Myanmar civil war The Arakan Army claims to have captured the Tatmadaw's regional headquarters in Rakhine State. (AP) Disasters and accidents Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Malaysian Minister of Transport Anthony Loke announces a new search effort for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which went missing in March 2014, to be conducted by American marine robotics company Ocean Infinity. (DW) Rohingya genocide The Sri Lanka Navy rescues 102 Rohingya refugees, including 25 children, that were found adrift on a fishing trawler and takes them to Trincomalee, Sri Lanka. (Al Jazeera) (The Independent) Thirty-eight people are killed, 20 people are rescued, and over 100 others remain missing after a ferry capsizes while crossing the Busira River in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP) (Al Jazeera) Eleven people are killed, 45 others are injured and 37 vehicles are destroyed after an LPG tank truck catches fire and explodes after a speeding truck crashed into it in Jaipur, India. (The Statesman) Eight people are killed and 18 others are rescued when a speedboat carrying migrants capsizes off the coast of Rhodes, Greece. (AP) International relations Australia–Solomon Islands relations Australia agrees to provide Solomon Islands with financing, training, and infrastructure support worth AU$190 million (US$118 million) over four years to strengthen its police force as part of a renewed security partnership between the two countries. (France 24) Hungary–Poland relations Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs summons Hungary's ambassador to protest the Hungarian government's decision to grant asylum to former Polish deputy justice minister Marcin Romanowski, who is wanted under the European Arrest Warrant for alleged corruption. Poland also recalls its ambassador to Hungary Sebastian Kęciek for consultations. (AP) Law and crime 2024 Zagreb school stabbing A child is killed and seven other people are injured in a mass stabbing at a primary school in Zagreb, Croatia. The 19-year-old perpetrator is arrested. (BBC News) The Inter-American Court of Human Rights rules that El Salvador violated the human rights of a woman denied an abortion during a high-risk pregnancy in 2013 and orders the country to implement measures allowing abortions in cases where the woman's life is at risk. (The Guardian) Guatemalan authorities rescue 160 minors from the Lev Tahor sect in Oratorio, Santa Rosa, amid allegations of human trafficking, forced marriage, and child abuse. (Reuters) The U.S. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau files a lawsuit against banks JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo for failing to protect consumers against alleged widespread fraud on the built-in payment system Zelle equating over $870 million. (Al Jazeera) (Detroit Free Press) Politics and elections 2025 United States federal budget Government shutdowns in the United States, National debt of the United States, United States debt ceiling A funding bill ensuring full operation of the U.S. federal government service with an amendment supported by President-elect Donald Trump that would enforce a two-year suspension of the federal debt ceiling is rejected in the Republican-majority House of Representatives, with multiple Republicans and nearly all Democrats opposing the bill. A government shutdown is expected to occur if no bill is passed by midnight. (BBC News) House Speaker Mike Johnson reintroduces a funding bill without Trump's debt ceiling suspension, stating that "we will not have a government shutdown". The bill, which will fund the government until March 2025, passes the House by a vote of 336–34 and will now go to the Senate. 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(Ready) RD: Patrick Pillay

Article: Patrick Pillay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nation.sc/articles/24511/seychelles-mourns-the-loss-of-former-minister-patrick-pillay
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former minister and speaker of the National Assembly of Seychelles. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Adequate depth of coverage, fully referenced. Spencer^T•C 06:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Shirish B. Patel

Article: Shirish B. Patel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Scroll.in
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian urban planner. Article can do with some expansion. Ktin (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted RD, blurb discussion continues) RD/Blurb: Rickey Henderson

Article: Rickey Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American baseball player Rickey Henderson dies at the age of 65. (Post)
News source(s): The Mercury News, NY Times, BBC News, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit) and Bagumba (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Baseball HOFer and all-time steals leader. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article is GA. Doc Strange (talk) 22:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb GA and one of the greatest to ever play. Transformative and top of his field. DrewieStewie (talk) 23:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Extremely significant individual in a culturally significant sport. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Culturally significant in a few countries, such as United States, yes, but it's not globally. Just being a significant player of a popular sport is, in my opinion, not a particularly good reasoning for blurbing, the same way we don't blurb all significant British footballers or Indian cricketeers. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  • British footballers or Indian cricketeers at the level of Rickey Henderson's importance to baseball get blurbs. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Baseball is a niche sport compared to football and cricket. Moreover, it's not true that British footballers or Indian cricketers of similar importance get blurbs. Bobby Charlton, who is widely considered one of the greatest players of all time and arguably the greatest English player ever, didn't get a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Rickey Henderson isn't just the all-time steals leader; he's the all-time runs leader. On the basis of having scored more runs than anyone else ever, I support this obvious blurb. Regarding quality, it's already good enough quality to post. NorthernFalcon (talk) 00:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Article is GA. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• The GA review was from 2008. It's got some outstanding uncited tags.—Bagumba (talk) 02:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Since resolved.—Bagumba (talk) 17:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready Unfortunately there are a significant number of CN tags that will need to be resolved. In its current state I doubt the GA status would survive a review. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Addressed: Almost all the CN's have been resolved. The last one can be proven with a bit of research; one source demonstrates that only four people have even stolen more than 8 bases in a single postseason, and if you look up each of those cases none of them involves stealing more than eight in a single postseason series, other than Rickey. Nonetheless I haven't found a source that says it directly yet, so I'll try to fix that tomorrow if someone else doesn't first. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Ref has been added. Spencer^T•C 09:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Support RD Article has been improved. No need for a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb Per above; quality article that demonstrates notability within field. Spencer^T•C 09:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb Notable individual with significant record, not uniquely transformative in his field though. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 10:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Not remotely the level of transformative that's required.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Rickey Henderson's success leading off with a walk- and power-heavy strategy was transformative. His base-stealing (100+ stolen bases in a season) was unprecedented. Both of these led in part to the analytical revolution, as folks were forced to analyze how impactful they were in reality (the stolen bases, less than folks thought. The walks,

  more). Baseball is played throughout North America and Wast Aia as well as parts of South America. That's 3 continents. Strict sound (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb not a transformative player, not a global massive sport. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  If baseball isn’t a “globally massive sport,” that makes soccer virtually the only one. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  WP:ITNCDONT advises to not Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, and baseball anyways is played in multiple countries. —Bagumba (talk) 16:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Bagumba you understood my comment as you wished, since i'm not opposing it "because the event is only relating to a single country". I said it is not a global massive sport because it really isn't. It is played in some countries, but the level of social, cultural and economic impact and global following and breadth is concentrated in very few countries. Incomparable to soccer, basketball or even tennis. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  If we discourage opposition to blurbs for merely relating to only one country, why would we allow blurbs to be opposed for "only" relating to a few countries? —Bagumba (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  ITN does not limit itself to only internationally popular topics. We strive for a broad range of fields. Maybe not a very niche sport played by only a fraction of people in one country (for example, arean gridiron football), but baseball is definitely not that. Masem (t) 17:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  This is perfect for when we are talking about league finals or very important international tournaments (which are already ITNR and I'm fine with that), not for blurbing the deaths of players who are not the top of they field. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Completely fair to argue that Henderson was not top of his field (to me, his importance is in question, he was well known but not a legendary player), but we shouldn't be questioning the limited scope of their field. Masem (t) 18:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  we can question it, this is the forum to do so and it is a criterion for judging nominations on any topic. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Other baseball players have been blurbed, so the sport itself does not preclude posting. —Bagumba (talk) 18:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Bill James, the legendary statistical analyst, said that if you cut Rickey Henderson in half, you would have 2 hall of farmers, his impact was so great. Strict sound (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Bagumba: I feel you're misunderstanding Alsor's argument here. While Baseball is central in American culture and popular in other countries like Japan, baseball in general is fairly unknown to the average person in Europe, Africa or South America. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 18:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  that's the point. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  So we wouldn't oppose baseball if it only related to one country like America, but it's also "popular in other countries", so we can oppose now? OK. You might want to check Category:Baseball in South America by country. There's plausible reasons to oppose, just not on the basis of the sport itself. —Bagumba (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  No, that is not what either what I or Alsor said and I honestly don't care for the ITN validity of any sport be it baseball, brännboll or swamp football.

  I can empathize if you feel strongly about baseball, but grossly simplifying the argument to "only relating to a single country" is just flawed reasoning. Being fairly unknown and not part of the broader culture doesn't mean there aren't people playing it just like there are people competing in soccer or brännball in the U.S. or American football in Sweden. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  And that’s a poor argument to make. If a sport has to be “globally massive” to be relevant here, that basically makes soccer the only one. Baseball’s popular across North and South America (there’s literally tons of Venezuelan/Colombian players???), the Caribbean, and east Asia; it most definitely isn’t a niche/one-country sport. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree that baseball isn't a major sport globally, and it's not even the most popular bat-and-ball game (it's cricket).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Just because you are a cricket fan does not require you to deride baseball. In any case, under Recent Deaths there have neen numerous sporting figures mentioned, including snooker, which is a niche sport in comparison to baseball, by all measures. Strict sound (talk) 16:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I don’t watch cricket at all, but it’s a fact that it’s more popular than baseball globally. Can you tell me the snooker player whose death got a blurb?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I believe it was Terry Griffiths, but it could have been Silvino Francisco. Both in December. Strict sound (talk) 17:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

None of them got a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, namely those are huge quotes in the legacy section which verves on being a copyright problem. Masem (t) 12:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Masem: The quotes of copyrighted text have been reduced. The page subject, Henderson, is still heavily quoted, but his spoken words are not copyrighted. The "Legacy" section still has {{Over-quotation}}, but that it is a yellow tag, and not an WP:ITNQUALITY show stopper. —Bagumba (talk) 05:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Great player? Yes. Transformative in his field? No. Black Kite (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment What definition of “transformative” does he fail to meet? In his field; he was so unique and redefined base stealing. Many sources back that up and cite that as why he’s arguably the greatest to ever play. If that’s not transformative in his field, I don’t know what is. DrewieStewie (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  How exactly did he "redefine base stealing"? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. When it comes to sports (among other topics) only the best of the best should get blurbs. While Henderson is undoubtedly the best base stealer, he is not one of the best overall baseball players. Blurbs should be reserved for Willie Mays and other players of his caliber. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 18:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• I get that baseball can be a complex sport, but the point of baseball is to score more runs than the other team, and Henderson scored more runs than anybody else. Does that not make him one of the best overall baseball players to ever play? Furthermore, at the time of his death, no living baseball player had more WAR than him other than the steroid users. Again, does that not make him at a minimum the greatest of his generation? NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Putting aside how only giving the total number of runs could imply almost anything from an incredibly high mode/range to a higher-than-usual mean, and how WAR isn't even mentioned in Henderson's article, or Henderson in the WAR article for that matter, I feel like it's still not clear why Henderson would be a major figure full stop, and not just a major figure in baseball. Per WP:ITNRDBLURB, being included in Recent Deaths feels like it's enough for this case. Yo.dazo (talk) 17:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, neutral on blurb Sourcing issues have been resolved. One yellow tag on excessive quotes from the subject, Henderson, but its not the red or orange variety that would be an WP:ITNQUALITY issue.—Bagumba (talk) 05:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral blurb – Very good quality article that really goes all out on his significance, but the added content related to his death is still too limited for a blurb I think. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb He was definitely a great player, but not influential for a blurb. Furthermore, he wasn't a household name outside of baseball (to be honest, he wasn't Willie Mays in any sense). The "Legacy" section doesn't make a strong case for a blurb either, as it primarily consists of specialist opinions about stealing and sliding abilities as well as his career achievements, not signifying any societal or cultural impact.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Rickey was an excellent baseball player who received many awards and recognition. TheApex150 (talk) 10:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Mark ready Seems at least to be ready for RD.—Bagumba (talk) 11:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, weak oppose blurb Article still has some very long quotations, but it's (probably barely) not excessively so. However, speaking as not-a-follower of baseball, this feels like a situation where the impact is very much limited to people "in the know", and thus is not really blurbworthy. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Changed after more consideration with WP:ITNRDBLURB. I'll grant that he was one of the best baseball players out there, but he also died normallypeacefully, and he's not the Dalai Lama. Yo.dazo (talk) 17:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD since there is consensus for at least that much. Blurb discussion can continue. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD and blurb Definately well sourced for RD. I think the holder of the stolen bases record is transformative and influential enough in his field to just get him over the line to blurb status. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, not widely known outside US. Sandstein 22:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not supporting a blurb- I don't love blurbing 99.9% of deaths- but the "Not transformative" argument is nothing short of ridiculous. He took one of the things important enough to be one of the sport's "five tools"- speed- and utilized it better than anyone else ever has, and probably better than anyone else ever will. (If you took the Major League-leading steals total from 2024, and had that total for 20 seasons, you'd still be short of Rickey.) He also scored more runs- you know, the entire point of the sport- than anyone in history. If you want to go by Wins Above Replacement, he's 19th all-time (14th among batters), and 4th (3rd) among players from the past 45 years- the only people above him were steroid users. He is, no matter how you look at him, one of the greatest baseball players ever. -- Kicking222 (talk) 01:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Did somebody change the blurb to remove any word like 'transformative' which earlier was there? It is confusing for editors who didn't see this earlier. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

We would never have transformative in a blurb, it was never there. Stephen 07:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now: I did a spot-check on the references in a small slice of about 5-10% of the article prose and encountered four apparent instances of WP:OR. Last peer review was in 2010, so I suspect a great deal of OR has crept into the article since then. If anyone wants to help clean up, stats sites/databases tend to be common OR culprits on athlete articles. Left guide (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  !vote struck, major OR issues have been resolved enough to remove the banner. Left guide (talk) 11:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb, most major league steals (by 50% over next player), most runs scored, most unintentional walks, and over 3,000 hits. All that and he could field too. In runs scored and steals alone he transformed the game into personal career records never seen before. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Mostly due to the good article status. ArionStar (talk) 04:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  That’s irrelevant. Stephen 04:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  No, this is WP:ITNQUALITY. ArionStar (talk) 06:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  Should probably clarify that article quality wasn't a big issue here—that's why Henderson is already on ITN/RD. Posting an entire blurb for a death though has stricter criteria, which you can find on WP:ITNRDBLURB. Yo.dazo (talk) 09:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: George Eastham

Article: George Eastham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1966 world cup winning Footballer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready A handful of CN tags. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rey Misterio

Article: Rey Misterio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bleacher Report, People
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican professional wrestler and trainer, Rey Mysterio Sr, uncle of WWE legend, dies at 66 Spworld2 (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Om Prakash Chautala

Article: Om Prakash Chautala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by ExclusiveEditor (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Chief Minister of Haryana, served the most terms, three days mourning in the state, former head of an Indian state. The article is now well cited. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 08:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• No footnote for DoB in main prose. There is quite a bit of prose on his legal troubles, but not much on his work as Chief Minister for 5+ years, President of his political party for 24 years and Leader of Opposition in the Haryana Legislative Assembly for 9+ years. What did he do while in office? --PFHLai (talk) 11:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Short article, seems to have only reached subnational leadership. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Royal Autumn Crest: Subnational leadership is not a reason to deny ITN. His post is equivalent to that of a governor in United States. He is well documented in sources, only if somebody could expand it. However there is no specific rule for having a long article for inclusion in RD. Look at Macoto Takahashi for example. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  Royal Autumn Crest Please read the notice about how recent deaths works: Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support meets WP:ITNQUALITY (noting that DoB is now sourced in prose). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Concur with PFHLai; outside of the subject's legal issues, the is little description about what he accomplished in office otherwise. Spencer^T•C 06:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Ann Hartley

Article: Ann Hartley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former Labour MP, North Shore mayor Ann Hartley dies
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muso555 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Looks nearly ready; some minor referencing is needed. Schwede66 23:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Her election record has been well presented in prose, but where is the coverage on her work while in office? --PFHLai (talk) 12:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  @PFHLai: It's simply not there, you can help by adding it. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm helping RD, and wondering if this nom is a good candidate for RD. The thin coverage of her work activities is giving me pause. Not to mention the few {cn} tags. --PFHLai (talk) 18:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support I have added more info and sources to take care of the cn tags. Unfortunately most content from the 1980s and 1990s written about her is offline. Kiwichris (talk) 08:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• I came here to say that it's been expanded (by Kiwichris – who spends a lot of time in the national library to read old newspapers – sterling work!), but got beaten to it. I've added one more ref. It looks ready now. Schwede66 22:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Concur with PFHLai; political section consists almost entirely of election results but without detail of what she accomplished in office. Spencer^T•C 06:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Her notability is not in question. As long as articles are well sourced, reliable and not stubs they can be an RD.Kiwichris (talk) 04:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Magdeburg car attack

Article: 2024 Magdeburg car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed and at least 205 are injured in a car attack at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ARD, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Yo.dazo (talk · give credit)
• Created by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit) and CommissarDoggo (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: There aren't that many details as of yet, but it is already being heavily covered. Saxony-Anhalt minister-president already announced casualty figures and general info on perpetrator. Yo.dazo (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is obviously a very significant event. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 20:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait We are not a news ticker and we know next to nothing other than that something has happened and at least one person has been killed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Support based on recent developments and a clearer picture of the event. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Mayor of Magdeburg just confirmed over 50 injured. Khuft (talk) 20:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support 11 died now Braganza (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

This is false. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until expansion and more ramifications are known. We are not a news ticker. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait We don't yet know the exact extent of the attack. In any case the article needs more time before it is ready to be posted. Gust Justice (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Support At this point the event is clearly notable enough for ITN. It has received significant coverage in many sources, and it seems similar to 2016 Berlin truck attack in scope and significance (although the motive appears to be different). That event was also posted on ITN back then. Gust Justice (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Made altblurb into blurb because they're pretty much the same, just with updated info. Yo.dazo (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support There's no doubt it's significant now, it must be on the front page Fishthatflies (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Support per widespread coverage and severity of attack TansoShoshen (talk) 01:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Support lots of coverage, high death toll, pretty rare and interesting attack Personisinsterest (talk) 04:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose -- only two dead? 68 injured, sure, but I don't think this is enough for the front page absent anything more. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Edit: I'm still not convinced this would be posted if it happened in North America, but with 5 deaths and the strange circumstances, I don't necessarily oppose posting anymore. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 19:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

*Oppose pretty much per Rockstone. Starting to believe we're once again missing the mark here and letting pro-Western bias influence when we believe to be notable or not. A tragic event, but for the sorts of events that we've considered, this is not all that extreme. Same goes for the shooting nom directly below this one. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Struck my vote with revised numbers. I have no issue with this having been posted. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment When considering whether an ITN nom is significant we can weigh separate things, whether the news is receiving significant coverage outside the incident region, whether it is unique therein and whether it is likely to any have lasting coverage. While the first can be answered in the affirmative, for the next two we will have to say no especially when you look at the listings at Terrorism in Germany#List of significant terrorist incidents in Germany. We also unfortunately have to say the death toll is not sifinificant at this point in time, consider for e.g. List of traffic collisions (2000–present) which bears a minimum 5 casualties. For a comparision, there is a reason we stopped posting most school shootings in the US which were seen to be frequent and without lasting encyclopedic impact (WP:10YEARS) as evinced by the massive lists at Lists of school shootings in the United States. Gotitbro (talk) 06:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• I think the comparison with US school shootings is unfair given that Category:Vehicular rampage in Germany has only seven articles on it, and among them there are only three with comparably high casualties: 2016 Berlin truck attack, 2020 Volkmarsen ramming attack, and this one. (Also, casualties are not the same as fatalities.) Many in the list of significant terrorist incidents in Germany also have low or zero deaths and injuries. All this to say that the significance here is not just in numbers: this was a vehicular attack at a Christmas market by a lone perpetrator who was critical of Islam, both echoing and contrasting the one at Berlin in 2016. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: I think I very much know of the so-called western bias, and I think it is something that doesn't apply here (although I may have personal bias of seeing Christmas based vehicle attack the first time). The page has been well extended, and 68 injuries with 2 deaths is something people should not take that casually. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article in good state, making global news and it is a significant event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support worldwide news and significant attack by any measure applied. Unconvinced by WP:MINIMUMDEATHS and WP:BIAS arguments; the number of deaths is not the main criteria for posting and that should never be a measure of notability. We routinely post non-routine tragic events in other parts of the world, if they don't get posted it's usually due to quality and lack of WP:RS and not notability. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support on principle (appears to be a race-motivated attack and borders on terrorism, rather than a more domestic crime) but Oppose on quality. The Aftermath and Reaction sections are almost not significant enough to be needed, we do not need the halfdozen-some lines of "thoughts and prayers" from various leaders. The rest of the article seems fine, but these section stick out a unnecessary fluff for an even article. --Masem (t) 13:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  As of this comment, the aftermath and reaction sections look pretty tame tame to me. Maybe they were more bloated when you were looking at them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Attempted to condense them. I know full well though that those sections will remain a bit of a mess for weeks (or maybe even months, if this attack does end up influencing the federal elections.) Such is the fate of ongoing articles, I suppose. Yo.dazo (talk) 20:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Suitable for ITN and the top news story for many media outlets today.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support There's big coverage of this story and many lines of intrigue including the Saudi suspect's unusual anti-Islam stance, his wanted status in his home country and the kingdom's failed attempt to extradite him. [1] Of course those are too nuanced to be in our headline, but let's give the people the news story they're actually looking up. This story is more than just senseless bloodshed. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) 2024 Zagreb school stabbing

Article: Zagreb school stabbing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Zagreb, one child is killed, and seven others are injured in a school stabbing. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)

 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, as a national day of mourning has been called in the country. This is obviously a very significant event. Hijérovīt | ^þⰁ_č 19:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle. Article looks good to go too.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support, as a national day of mourning has been called in the country. This is obviously a very significant event. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 20:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Undoubtedly a tragedy. But a single death by violence, even in Europe, is just setting the bar too low for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I'm going to add the same caution here, in that the person was suffering from mental health issues, which generally means the crimes are not seen as severe compared to those that are committed by more rationale persons. --Masem (t) 01:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Support pretty rare to see something like this happening in Europe, and 8 casualties is alot Personisinsterest (talk) 04:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - mental health issue, and only a single death. We wouldn't post a similar stabbing in the US or Canada. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Data on how common are these in Croatia-specific may lead to more constructive discussion. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose While tragic and a rare incident in Croatia, we have almost never posted an attack with a single death (unless the deceased is notable themselves) and we shouldn't now. The article also proceeds to call this a massacre which is quite a stretch. Gotitbro (talk) 07:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Unconvinced by WP:MINIMUMDEATHS arguments; the number of deaths is not the main criteria for posting and that should never be a measure of notability. This doesn't look to be routine either and the article looks to be in good shape. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  MINIMMUMDEATHS is a controversial subject about which there is currently no strong consensus. It is neither affirmed, nor proscribed as an argument in any of our WP:PG. As such it is perfectly legitimate for editors to take into consideration the death toll of events being considered for ITN, until/unless such time as some sort of broad consensus forms one way or another and we are able to put it into a guideline. Of course editors are equally free to disagree with such arguments, and in those cases we go with the local consensus on a case by case basis for each nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per Gotitbro and Rockstone. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Decent article, well-referenced and with international government reactions. ArionStar (talk) 06:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

December 19

Portal:Current events/2024 December 19

December 19, 2024 (2024-12-19) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Fall of the Assad regime Deir ez-Zor offensive, Eastern Syria insurgency Iraqi foreign minister Fuad Hussein warns that ISIS cells in Syria have begun reorganizing and taking new land following the collapse of the Syrian Armed Forces and subsequent abandonment of weapons depots. (Asharq News) The Baniyas Refinery, Syria’s largest oil refinery, stops operating after ceasing to receive the crude oil from Iran that previously made up the majority of the country’s input. (Financial Times) Operation Dawn of Freedom, Turkish involvement in the Syrian civil war 2024 Kobani clashes U.S.-backed SDF forces vow to fight Turkey and pro-Turkish rebel groups in Kobani, Aleppo Governorate. (Reuters) 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Ahmed al-Sharaa, the emir of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham, makes an announcement claiming that the country is exhausted by perpetual warfare and is no longer a threat to its neighbors or the Western world. (BBC News) The Military Operations Command forces take control of several towns in Raqqah Governorate, Syria. (SOHR) Iraq announces the repatriation of members of the Syrian Armed Forces who fled after the fall of the Assad regime through the Al-Qa'im border crossing, back to Syria. (Al Arabiya) Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war Satellite imagery reveals that Russian forces are mobilizing heavy planes at Khmeimim Air Base in Latakia Governorate and are also mobilizing ships at Tartus naval base, indicating a potential withdrawal. (BBC News) Abdul Hamid Dbeibah, the Prime Minister of the Tripoli-based Government of National Unity of Libya, denounces the entry of Russian forces from Syria into the eastern part of Libya. (The Libya Observer) Russian president Vladimir Putin says that Russia helped evacuate 4,000 Iranian fighters from Syria. (Anadolu Agency) Prosecution of Syrian civil war criminals The Syrian Interim Government announces that they have begun preparing lists of people from the former regime who were involved in war crimes, torture, and murder. (The Jerusalem Post) Red Sea crisis December 2024 Israeli airstrikes in Yemen Israel carries out a series of airstrikes against the Houthis in western Yemen, damaging the Ras Isa oil facility, the port of as-Salif and several power stations in Sanaa, and killing at least nine people. (Al Jazeera) The United States Department of the Treasury announces sanctions on the governor of the Central Bank of Yemen in Sanaa, Yemen, and several Houthi officials and associated companies and vessels, accusing them of trafficking dual-use weapon components and Iranian petroleum to the Houthis. (Al Jazeera) (JNS) Israel–Hamas war Gaza genocide, Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip Human Rights Watch accuses Israel of committing "acts of genocide" in Gaza by damaging water supply infrastructure and depriving civilians of clean water. (DW) (Reuters) (Human Rights Watch) Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aids during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine British defence secretary John Healey announces a proposal to send military advisors to train Ukrainian forces. (BBC News) 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting A lawmaker is killed and another is injured in a shooting inside the Parliament in Sukhumi, Abkhazia. The perpetrator, identified as MP and former Sukhumi mayor Adgur Kharazia, flees the scene. (Al Jazeera) Mexican drug war Two soldiers are killed after an explosion caused by a improvised landmine at a drug laboratory in Michoacán, Mexico. Three days ago, two other soldiers were killed and three more injured in Michoacán during a similiar incident. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season The death toll from Cyclone Chido in Mozambique increase to 73, including 66 in Cabo Delgado Province. (Al Jazeera) Nine people are killed during a fire at a warehouse building of PX Mart under construction in Taichung, Taiwan. (AP) International relations China–India relations Sino-Indian border dispute Indian national security advisor Ajit Doval and Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi meet in Beijing, China, and reach a six-point consensus to maintain peace along the border, refine border management rules, resume cross-border exchanges, and work toward resolving border disputes. A follow-up meeting is planned to be held in India next year. (CNN) Georgia–United Kingdom relations, Georgia–United States relations, 2024 Georgian post-election protests The United Kingdom and the United States impose sanctions on Georgian officials, including Interior Minister Vakhtang Gomelauri, in response to alleged violent crackdowns on pro-European protests. (EFE) Hungary–Poland relations Hungary grants political asylum to former Polish deputy justice minister Marcin Romanowski, who faces allegations of corruption in Poland. (Reuters) France's Directorate-General for External Security reports that four French nationals detained in Burkina Faso on allegations of being foreign intelligence agents have been released following mediation by Morocco. (ABC News) Law and crime 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration bans the flying of drones over multiple cities in New Jersey citing "special security reasons". (WPVI-TV) Deportation and removal from the United States The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency reports 271,484 deportations in the past fiscal year, the most since 2014 and almost double of the previous fiscal year. (AP) (FOX News) Mazan rapes The Judicial Court in Avignon, France, finds Dominique Pelicot guilty of the aggravated rape of his ex-wife Gisèle Pelicot, and imposes the maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. The 50 other defendants in the case are also convicted of crimes ranging from attempted rape to aggravated rape, and receive prison sentences ranging from three to 15 years. (Reuters) A Malaysian high court acquits Rosmah Mansor, the wife of former prime minister Najib Razak, of 17 charges of money laundering and tax evasion due to insufficient evidence. (Reuters) Politics and elections Aleksandar Šapić, the mayor of Belgrade, Serbia, announces the city will make all public transit free on January 1, 2025. (DW) (Novinite)

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(Needs reviewers) RD: Gaboro

Article: Gaboro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swedish rapper, murder victim. Article looks in good shape. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Francisco Nemenzo Jr.

Article: Francisco Nemenzo Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philstar
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino political scientist, educator Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

CitationS Needed: A lots of. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Abhkaz parliament shooting

Article: 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Adgur Kharazia shoots political rivals Vakhtang Golandzia and Kan Kvartchia, killing and injuring them respectively outside the Abhkaz parliament. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A shooting occurs inside the People's Assembly of Abkhazia, killing one lawmaker and injuring another.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, The Moscow Times
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, its made world headlines, unusual event. Please don't comment on article quality until its had a chance to expand. The options involved need articles and major expansion too. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Abkhazia is not a fully recognised sovereign state and isn't particularly well known to most people. so I think it'd be prudent to also include that it's a region within the country of Georgia it's in essentially the same contested status as Crimea after the Russian invasion in 2008. Regardless, I think adding additional information to help people understand roughly where on Earth this has happened is needed. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Abhkazia isn't a real country, it's a Russian proxy-state, the People's Assembly is only recognized by four countries. We shouldn't be posting updates about it to ITN. For example, we didn't post about the 2024 Abkhazian protests, which resulted in the collapse and resignation of Abkhazia's government. Scuba 15:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see why the political status of this place would be a factor. Surely if the mayor of Buffalo killed his opponent while running for Governor, it would be successfully nominated here - and I doubt anyone would claim that the murder of one's opponent isn't ITN because New York State isn't a country. Nfitz (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, but you're missing the fact this would be if the Canadian pretend government of Buffalo had a former mayor shoot members of the city council. It's just a normal murder, but the people involved are LARPing as politicians. Scuba 05:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Also this may be controversial to say but something like this happening in Buffalo would be such an extraordinary event in a fully integrated part of the world's dominant superpower that it would automatically be more notable than this happening in a tiny region occupied by the Russian army. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support pending article’s expansion. A politician shooting other politicians is very unusual, and the story appears to be in headlines across news outlets. I also subscribe to the opinion that the political status of Abkhazia is completely irrelevant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not a real country per Scuba. It's currently a two sentence stub. And to the extent it is getting news coverage, it's clearly not a major item. Politically motivated acts of violence are a near daily occurrence in the world. I'm not seeing anything that makes this stand out. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle but obviously quality is not there yet. Stub has even less information than the blurb. Khuft (talk) 19:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now I'd actually argue that this may be relevant for ITN precisely because it is about separatist politics that may or may not have local and diplomatic consequences. But the relevant articles are currenly stubs, and there's not much coverage from other sources. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, a fatal attack on any legislature is newsworthy let alone one where the suspect is a legislator thereof

675930s (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, Oppose on quality A long-serving and seemingly-respected mayor of a capital city publicly murdering his own political rival himself in broad daylight is an extremely unusual event, especially given it happened at the parliament building itself - however, the article is barely a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, sure political assassinations happen a lot but not directly by a sitting politician. There are few partially recognised states in the world such that the bar shouldn’t be much higher for news coming from them

Kowal2701 (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Extremely rare event: high-level political assassination by a politician. While Abkhazia is not well-recognized, it is de facto a sovereign state, thus making this not much different in terms of notability than the federal politics of a well-recognized state. However, the article is only 2 sentences long, and thus nowhere near substantial enough to blurb. -insert valid name here- (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• support seems very notable. If something like this happened in the US, France, or China, there would be no question as to if it should be posted. I see no reason as to why it shouldnt be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8d80:562:a38f:9aca:9cef:3ee:598c (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment — The blurb does not state that Kharazia is a suspect. I have added an alternative blurb. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support on Notability but Oppose on quality This is definitely notable enough for ITN however article is still a stub and is nowhere near to being posted TNM101 (chat) 06:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Armed dispute between collaborators in a glorified Russian military district. Really not internationally notable at all. If this happened in the Georgian parliament it would be notable. Also the article is very poor and articles about Abkhazian politics are generally not in good condition. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Those making claims that this isn't notable because Abkhazia is a Russian proxy-state created in 2008 shouldn't forget that it's been an autonomous republic continuously since 1921. At that time, the majority of today's countries didn't have any form of autonomy. This doesn't mean that Abkhazia isn't part of Georgia, but its status hasn't changed a lot with the Russo-Georgian War.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle – Article is too short at the moment. Also, all the comments saying it's not news because it's Russian occupied doesn't make the news any less significant. You can disagree with Abkhazia's political status but that does not minimize notability. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and quality alone. I do think those seeking to downplay this event seem to not understand how uncommon it is for someone to just shoot your political rival in broad daylight, at least in modern society where we frown on duels (Looking at you Aaron Burr). The exact impacts of this? Hard to tell, but I don't think the legal status of the country should matter, we're talking about two persons who had some level of power, acknowledgment nonwithstanding. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on size per above, Oppose both blurb and alt-blurb. If it is posted then the partially recognized status of Abkhazia should be noted. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: How about posting Vakhtang Golandzia to RD? That's a bad idea, but so posting 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability. Article needs serious work though. DannyC55 (Talk) 22:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral Well-referenced but without/limited updated content/news. ArionStar (talk) 06:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  Support on notability Anyone can help us here? ArionStar (talk) 18:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm linking it between 2024 Abkhazian protests (it's certainly a aftermath of) and People's Assembly of Abkhazia (the scene). Related articles. Too notable not to be posted. ArionStar (talk) 19:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  We do not post stubs. Schwede66 22:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Michael Leunig

Article: Michael Leunig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian cartoonist Stephen 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Somebody has marked various [citation needed], once they are fixed it is good to go. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Mazan Rape trial

Article: Mazan rapes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dominique Pelicot and 46 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Dominique Pelicot and 50 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sunuraju (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Southdevonian (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: International reporting. Of huge significance to those campaigning against sexual violence in France and elsewhere. 51 men were convicted of sexual crimes, but unsure how best to convey the nuance of these in a blurb. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support, worldwide notable 2804:388:4125:E522:1:0:7D84:2D89 (talk) 10:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Please elaborate. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Note: there is an ongoing WP:RM to move to "Mass rape of Gisèle Pélicot". I suspect most people are more familiar with her name than with the location. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support - the BBC wording is "50 men sentenced in mass rape trial", Le Monde "All 51 defendants found guilty of rape or sexual assault", NYT "50 Others Guilty". I think that the blurb should express that it was Dominique Pelicot + 50. Turini2 (talk) 11:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• I am concerned at the excessive level of detail of the trial events. In most cases of such trials, we aim to summarize key points, not a day-by-day documenting which that is approaching. --Masem (t) 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support This case has been covered by the media across the world and the article is of good quality. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Major case in France also receiving attention beyond the country. A better with more context might be needed (country etc). Gotitbro (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Been in the news internationally. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support, propose altblurb - I support the article's inclusion for quality (significant prose, well cited) and notability, but propose an altblurb to correct the number of men sentenced (see above). Also curious about rewording depending on the conclusion of the RFC RM. ~Malvoliox (talk

Support, important trial in France that also echoes in other countries, with big international reach in media. --Cart (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephen: Gisèle Pelicot is an article itself. 2804:1B3:9700:9FC1:1184:91FC:CF68:64EE (talk) 01:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Agree that we could tag her article as well (though keep the article on the trial the bold link) ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 02:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Graças 2804:14C:87E0:815E:2053:FD00:6B97:E25A (talk) 08:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I think the rapes perpetrated upon Mme. Pelicot were serial rapes, not a mass rape or mass rapes. Compare with mass killing vs. serial killings. I see someone above notes the BBC's use of mass rape trial but I think there, mass refers to the number of defendants on trial rather than the number of times she was raped. —⁠71.105.243.101 (talk) 01:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I would also say the description "mass rape" gives an inaccurate idea. Kingsif (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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